Both in his own person and as head of the Olin Foundation, Mr. Simon was one

of the country's leading philanthropists, and superbly qualified to discuss proposals, such

as one recently made by Governor George W. Bush, to pump-prime private philanthropy

through government action. WFB: "When Reagan left office, 19.8 per cent of GDP was

going into the Federal Government. It's now 21.8. That's a very substantial rise. So that

notwithstanding what Mr. Clinton said, that the age of big government is over, in fact,

government continues to swell, right?" WES: "The fact of the matter is,... you have to

work until May now before you keep your own money. May 11, I think it was last year.

Now think of that! You are working five months for government before you can work

for yourselves. That's too much right there, so let's not talk about more of a government

bite, more of a government take on anything."