Mr. Buckley says of his guest, "He is, of course, an object of curiosity as the wealthy and well-educated young man who wants to be President of the United States. That happens to be okay by me because we believe the same things." Host and guest start with President Clinton and, as Mr. Forbes puts it, "his abusing the power of the Presidency to destroy other people, their reputations, for the mistakes he made." But they soon get onto the substance of Mr. Forbes's campaign. WFB: "You're making it sound as though Americans were poor. That isn't correct, is it?" SF: "We're doing well compared to other countries.... We have a very strong economy; the fundamentals are very strong. But it's like Michael Jordan when he's playing basketball. The best player ever. He would play well even if you put a pack on his back with fifty pounds of weights in it, but he wouldn't play as well as if you took that pack off his back. The tax burden on the American people is growing. So yes, we're a rich country, but... things are starting to happen that are going to undermine the prosperity."