In 1990 Augusto Pinochet had stepped down as President of Chile, having held power ever since the coup against the Marxist Salvador Allende in 1973. In 1998, while visiting London, he was arrested pursuant, as Mr. Buckley phrases it, "to a motion by a Spanish judge to extradite him to answer to crimes against humanity." The world community had mobilized, and we hear today from eloquent spokesmen for the two sides. MD: "Does that not leave you sleepless at night? That theory of justice, that any country in any jurisdiction is competent to do this?" KR: "Well, what would leave me sleepless is...Let's imagine that Hitler lived and decided to start traveling in the south of France, the Italian Riviera, and these courts, these nations, could do nothing to arrest him because this theory of universal jurisdiction would not be accepted by you..." MD: "We're not just legally arguing here. We're talking about someone who did (a) make life for the population in his country very much better, (b) step down and leave it a democracy." KR: "Yes, indeed, Chile has emerged from the Pinochet era with a vibrant economy. Mussolini made the trains run on time."