An often delightful discussion of a repellent topic: President Clinton's misdoings. JL: "Well, I think the lies are the central part of it.... The suborning of perjury, the perjury, the inducing of Madeleine Albright... to lie, getting his lawyers to lie. I think this is a huge bit of wreckage that the President has presented us with, and to peel it all back and say, 'Would we feel the same way about a consensual adulterous affair?' I think, is too hypothetical." ... JP: "What we have here ... is a story not just of immoral sexual conduct, but a rather grotesque betrayal play in which every character in this drama, theoretically, is betraying someone else. Clinton is betraying his wife; he is betraying his mistress, Ms. Lewinsky, by essentially throwing her to the dogs, encouraging her ... to lie in the Paula Jones deposition, thus placing her at great risk of jail. She herself is then betrayed by her friend Linda Tripp, who is taping her ..."