This is not a debate, since Messrs. Beck and Stein both strongly urge controls on

immigration, and Mr. Buckley agrees with them much of the way. However, our guests

are both deeply knowledgeable and explain clearly how the immigration laws have been

changed in recent decades--a matter of which most Americans are unaware. For starters,

"family reunification" does not mean just husbands and wives, or parents and minor

children: RB: "Most of the people who came in under family reunification last year

were the second cousins and third cousins and nieces and nephews and in-laws of people

who came in maybe twenty years ago. These are not nuclear families."