Governor Pataki had been a disappointment to the conservatives who had helped elect him the previous November, having done very little so far to cut spending and taxes as he had promised. In this low-key discussion, the Governor explains cogently why, in his view, spending cuts have to follow restructuring (in, say, welfare), and how the Federal Government fits in. WFB: "What is the advantage of the idea of block grants as distinguished from simply assuming the authority to tax and pay for your own welfare system?" GP: "I wouldn't have a problem with bypassing the federal requirement completely." WFB: "Because you'd be a winner." GP: "Because we'd be a winner. Right now I think it's somewhere between 14 and 18 billion dollars more each year New York taxpayers send to Washington than we get back."