Mr. Adler is more abstract than usual, and the conversation suffers for it. But there are still passages that are not to be missed: MA: "Don't you think it's extraordinary that before Kant there were no idealists at all? Not one ever denied a noble reality, an intelligible reality. Kant's Copernican revolution is the worst disaster that's happened to philosophy in modern times, and the professional philosophers accept it without a murmur." WFB: "How do you account for that?" MA: "I'm afraid I have to say something that's cruel. I think they're uneducated. They have not submitted their mind to the literature properly. They haven't read Aristotle properly, they haven't read Aquinas properly, they haven't read Plato properly."