Mrs. Cheney had just issued a report on the American educational establishment called Tyrannical Machines, and under Mr. Buckley's questioning she outlines lucidly and engagingly what she would do to change that establishment. WFB: "I heard somebody say that Aristotle, if he were to rematerialize, would not qualify to teach philosophy in a public school in New York City. That's not an exaggeration, right?" LC: "No, it's true. He wouldn't have been properly certified. He wouldn't have taken the right number and kinds of courses in education." . . . LC: "It doesn't work just to put your head down and keep ramming against the SAT or the way we train teachers or the way we select textbooks. You just waste your energy doing that. The way we should approach these ... is to set alternatives into place. Then you set competition going and then you give people motivation to improve."