Host and guests find some fresh angles in this stimulating return to an old question. WFB: "As long as you are against capital punishment under any circumstances you are willing to use the law in any way that you possibly can to manipulate the jury to agree with you, de facto." MT: "I hope I misunderstand what you said, but if that is a statement that I would manipulate the law in a way contrary to the law, then that's not true." ... HS: "... the heart of our disagreement with you: namely, ... whether it isn't much more importantly true that a society that uses homicide as an instrument of social policy, when it's called the death penalty, is to that extent regressive and barbarous ..." WFB: "[That position was not accepted by] that barbarian Immanuel Kant or that barbarian Hegel, who said that precisely it is an affirmation of someone's humanity and rationality to hold him responsible for his actions."