A calmer discussion than one might have expected, given the strong differences between the two guests, but solidly informative on a topic that has increasingly come to the fore in our own country. As Mr. Olle frames the question: "Australia is one of the world's misfits. Physically, of course, we're part of Southeast Asia, but psychologically, emotionally, ever since whites' settlement some two hundred years ago, the bonds that bind have tied us to ... the Motherland, Great Britain. And ... we tended to contrive an immigration policy aimed at preserving a white Australia, a fact that conveniently ignores forty thousand years of pre-occupation by Aboriginal Australians." ... GB: "I think that a country which sees itself as the defender of the free world but can't control its own borders is not necessarily a country sufficiently in charge of its own destiny to give assurance to its allies." ... IM: "We are a compassionate society, and amongst other things we recognize an obligation to the refugees of the world, so we bring in those refugees whom we think we can settle."