A relaxed discussion centering on how different the South still is, or isn't, from the

rest of the country, and why blacks vote as they do, and how representative government

differs from plebiscitary government. One sample: MK: "Mr. Buckley ... were you

saying, and I hope you were, that the Republicans ought to try to get black votes by

telling black voters, 'Listen to Charles Murray; we want to cut off all your social welfare,

and it'll really be good for you'? You recommend that as a political strategy?" WFB:

"Well, it's obviously useless as a political strategy, because it would be no more useful

than if I were to tell you to start going to church every Sunday. You would deeply resent

it, even though it would do you a lot of good. But I do think that slowly there's got to be

a penetration."