The Reagan Administration maintained that South Africa was changing, and that

the wrong kind of pressure could do more harm than good. Many in Congress, the press,

and the United Nations were for full-scale sanctions at any cost. Today's show offers a

civil but passionate discussion. CB: "The real problem in the United States is we think

we can change South Africa... South Africa has to change itself." ALK: "Politics

boils down to some understanding of what it takes to empower those who do not have

power in such a way as to assure their full participation without destroying the society of

which they are a part. I think it's fairly hard to dispute that that has to be the goal, and if

you look at sanctions, they don't serve that goal."