"As we meet here," Mr. Buckley begins, "in Israel a man is being tried for war

crimes; his name: Demjanjuk. It is alleged he was known as 'Ivan the Terrible' during the terrible days of Treblinka, the most consummate killing factory in the history of the world." John Demjanjuk had been an American citizen for forty years, but had been tracked down by the Office of Special Investigations, established in 1979 to hunt for Nazi war criminals. In this chilling debate on a gruesome subject, Mr. Ryan asks, "Does it shock one's conscience that Karl Linnas, who has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt in American courts to be a mass murderer, might now face a death sentence [in the Soviet Union]?" Mr. Zumbakis replies that it does shock the conscience "to take an alleged war criminal and send him to certified war criminals for trial.... I think Americans first of all should be tried here and punished here ... If we're dumping people that we don't want to punish ourselves, we're avoiding a moral obligation."