For so adept an interviewer (it was he who had elicited from Jimmy Carter the

news about lust in his heart), Mr. Scheer is a rather overbearing guest. But WFB is able to carve out some space for give-and-take. RS: "We know right now that the command-and-control systems that now exist on either side probably could not last more than 15 or 20 minutes in an all-out nuclear war, so really, when you talk about nuclear war, the evidence is pretty clear that you are talking about a situation of extreme chaos, madness--" WFB: "I certainly hope your book is widely circulated in the Soviet Union."