An illuminating hour with a widely learned guest; the conversation ranges from

the dangers of arms-control negotiations to the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. WFB: "It's one thing to account for the fears of people who are governed by superstition, because there's very little that can be done about that, but how do you account for the fear of intelligent people in your own profession who feel that one has to turn one's back categorically on nuclear energy?" ET: "There is a very simple answer to that. All of us are governed by superstition. Intelligence is a rare, singular, perhaps pathological phenomenon. Intelligence is an abnormality. Now people can be intelligent in their own narrow field--and you mentioned that. People who really know about nuclear reactors are almost to a man people who have full confidence. We have an association--Scientists and Engineers for Secure Energy. We have a big membership. Of course, Linus Pauling does not belong. Linus Pauling is an excellent chemist who knows nothing about nuclear reactors. You don't go to the butcher to buy your bread."