Mr. Muggeridge presciently predicts, in WFB's paraphrase, that "the same attitude of mind that permits abortion cannot know when to curb its millenarianist passion for the perfect society. What must come, what surely will come ... is euthanasia." The conversation with this favorite Firing Line guest ranges from abortion to St. Augustine's City of God. One sample from Mr. Muggeridge: "The earthly city of St. Augustine is a grubby place, but once you see the City of God, its grubbiness somehow seems much less, much more bearable, because you know that every single thing in it, even the grubbiness, is related to this other City of God."