As Mr. Buckley sets the stage, "There is clamor for an election, but Mr. James

Callaghan, the prime minister, is reluctant to proceed, inasmuch as the polls show him trailing Mrs. Thatcher's Conservative Party by 19 points." The election was duly held in May, with the Conservatives taking 339 seats, Labour 268, and the Liberals 11, but meanwhile our guests have much to say about trade unions, the true meaning of freedom, and one another. RB: "Every time something is put in practice, it doesn't work and then you say, 'That's not it.' At one time you could say socialism would work because it hadn't been tried anywhere. But everywhere it has been tried it has been chaos. And as a suspicious man, it strikes me it might be chaos everywhere when it is tried." ... NK (of Mr. Pardoe): "Let's hope that he makes the choice at some time in the future to come back to the bosom of socialism." WFB: "You make way for late vocations?" NK: "Oh indeed. There are all kinds of conversions."