The question of how much immigration we should allow and what criteria should

be used for admission was the subject of sporadic debate, but suddenly it had hit the public consciousness that we had some large number of immigrants--3 million? 8 million? 12 million?--who had by-passed the admission process altogether. This proves to be a calm and extremely informative discussion of a topic that often reaches the shouting stage, ranging over the history of our immigration policies (as WFB puts it, "In 1797 the Congress argued that since the United States was already fully populated and mature, we should not allow any more immigrants") and the effects of the 1965 law. WFB: "Well, as a cultural question, would there be an ugly resentment in Mexico of any artifact that might be created along the border that would sound like sort of a reversed Berlin Wall, not to keep Americans in but to keep foreigners out?" LJC: "Well, we just went through that, where after the Department of Justice and OMB and Congress and

everybody had approved, without a dissenting voice or vote, the construction of 12 miles of replacement fence and a little bit of new fence at El Paso and San Diego, the Mexican newspapers reacted as if we had declared war on Mexico."