Jerry Brown was Ronald Reagan's successor as governor; his father, Pat Brown,

had been RR's predecessor. Governor Brown the younger would later become known as a flake, "Governor Moonbeam"; in this discussion, primarily of desegregation, he comes across as straightforward and well spoken. JB: "I would leave this [busing] to the sound discretion of the judiciary, and see what happens." WFB: "You wouldn't leave it to the unsound discretion of the judiciary?" JB: "Well, that's a phrase that lawyers use. Whenever the word 'discretion' is used, you usually preface it with the word 'sound'--and maybe that's more a hope than a description."

[Note: This program has been digitized as part of the California Audiovisual Preservation Project: http://www.archive.org/details/csth_00001]