We start out with a genial discussion of the meaning and evolution of political

freedom (MTM: "In the West, when we have freedom of speech, press, assembly,

habeas corpus, trial by jury, et cetera, these are the result of some four, five, six hundred years of evolution and revolution ... Now, in the Arab world, in Asia, in Africa, their modern life begins by the First World War.... And in sixty years the Arabs cannot attain the democratic institutions we have evolved in the West over four or five hundred years"). The gloves come off when we turn to the question whether Yasir Arafat is or is not a terrorist. MTM: "Well, let us give the Palestinians, who are now engaged in this horrible thing of terrorism, let us give them a thousand tanks. Let us give them five hundred Phantom jets." WFB: "Well, you can afford it. Why don't you?" MTM: "Let the U.S. give them." WFB: "Well, why?" MTM: "The United States has been giving these things to Israel, and I'm suggesting if the United States gave a thousand tanks to the Palestinians, five hundred airplanes to the Palestinians, then those Palestinians would never engage in such silly stupid terroristic acts and they will send their Phantom jets to destroy Tel Aviv, and good."