A crackling exchange between a committed Catholic conservative and a

committed socialist who holds the Catholic Church responsible for most of Ireland's ills--ranging from differing rates of infant mortality between rich and poor to the violence of the Provisional IRA. WFB: "If your criticism was intended to be understood as being leveled exclusively at the Irish Catholic Church, how would you explain the following sentence from one of your articles?-- The only possible response by those oppressed by the Church has been and is social revolution, half a bloody century of it, of which the most recent is seen in once-Catholic Cuba.-- How did the Irish Church get into Cuba? ..." NB: "I think you're playing games, if I may say so, Mr. Buckley.... There are many forms of the Catholic Church, and I disagree with the obscurantist Catholic Church. If there is such a thing as a radical Catholic Church or a Catholic Church that accepts the socialist idea, I have no objection to that kind of Catholic Church."