Mr. Shakespeare had just stepped down as USIA Director, having said he would serve only one term, and he had been denounced by the New York Times for having "irritated foreigners [and] demoralized old agency hands... with his stridently propagandist hard-line approach." This rich discussion-which ranges from present-day Bulgaria to early Christianity to Confucianism to Daniel Ellsberg-begins with Mr. Buckley asking Mr. Shakespeare "why he irritated foreigners. What have you got against foreigners?" FS: "... I would say to the extent that we irritated foreigners you'd have to divide the world into groups of people. I think we were an irritant to the Soviet Union, certainly." On to an explanation of how the Voice of America operates, and how to deal with dictatorships: "I think as dictatorships get terribly insecure they frequently try to resolve their internal insecurities by creating, artificially, an external peril. But if you follow that line of thinking too far you'll say, 'Well we should do everything in the world to make that dictatorship secure.' "