A high-energy conversation that keeps coming back to Nixon but continually reaches out for helpful comparisons-to JFK, LBJ, the Roosevelts, Winston Churchill. One sample, on Nixon's speech on the Cambodian incursion: RDN: "I think he is a man of many heroes, some of them conflicting in nature. I think he wants to be Winston Churchill, at times. I think he wants to be the resolute leader of a nation-confronting great military odds, mobilizing a heterogeneous people into one, to combat the enemy. Unfortunately, or fortunately, those times are not here, and it becomes a little ridiculous when you make a rather small military operation seem like the Normandy invasion." RE: "You read that speech today, out of context, and it really is melodramatic. And you realize, at the same time, that the President was seeing the movie about Patton over and over again, and that this was part of this same-" WFB: "You said 'over and over again.' You used it repeatedly in your book. You don't really mean that, do you?" RDN: "Yes." WFB: "You mean more than twice?" RDN: "Yes." RE: "Oh, five or six times, minimum ... we have documentation on that, Bill, which I can't go into here; but no question about it, he saw the movie many times."