A bracing session with a man who never took No for an answer. WFB: "Well, a lot of people are saying about you that ... your impatience with people like John Lindsay is a failure on your part to recognize that historically he is the counterpart of what you were fifty years ago." RM: "No, I don't see anything in that at all. My criticism of John Lindsay is based solely on one thing, that he doesn't get anything done. He just advocates.... Anybody who has any capacity for administration, even on a relatively small scale, like municipal housekeeping, parks, street cleaning, goes along in a car, and he looks at his particular domain, and he passes a place that's dirty, sloppy, obviously isn't well run, and the benches are all torn to pieces, the slats are off, and so forth. He doesn't go into a long disquisition about [Black Panther] trials-" WFB: "Vietnam." RM: "-that kind of thing. He sends for the top man in the borough, and he says, 'The general foreman is out. He lives in the Bronx, send him to Staten Island for the good of the service.' Forty-eight hours, that's all over the place."