A delicious duel over the place of tradition and civility in the modern world. One sample: JS: "I think there is a presumption in favor of what has been tried and tested by time, and if we stopped every moment of the day to examine critically every statement that was presented to us, or every convention that we were expected to adopt, we'd never get on. I think there is a presumption in favor of what has been used in the past." BB: "But I think that two world wars in this century are a standing presumption against..." JS: "But how can a world war be a presumption? ... I may seem to just object to words, but loose phrases like that are very often the result of loose thought. Of course we all know..." BB: "I'm sorry; I was trying to put the statement in logical form. Let me substitute the word 'constitute' for the word 'is.'