The lively discussion centers on what black studies is or should be: an academic discipline like any other, or a means, as Professor Lincoln put it, of deterring the sort of "black prejudice against blackness" that he himself had grown up with. EL: "I arrived on the campus there and saw a vast sea of people who didn't look like me. They were all white. Every person I saw was white.... This is the kind of experience that you never-" DB: "Yes, I have-when I went to Texas Southern to teach, which is a Negro college.... Suddenly all my students, my chairman, my dean, my president, were Negro.... They're sort of sitting around rapping in Texanese and I don't know what they're saying, and I felt ghastly. I know exactly what you mean." EL: "No. Let me tell you the difference. You were never unaware of the fact that ...all you had to do was walk off the campus ... and you suddenly regained all the power and the prestige and the preference that is yours in this society. I cannot do that in Chicago. I have nowhere to walk-but back into the ghetto."