Mr. Cambridge was sometimes accused of being too unwilling to put himself forward as a civil-rights leader ("I have a phrase where I say, 'A Negro leader is anybody with $5 and a suit.' It's true, white people will listen to anybody; they'll stop a guy in the street: 'What do you feel?' 'Whitney Young, you're on today, say something nice.' 'No, you didn't say it. OK, we'll go to Martin tomorrow?' "). But it's clear from this conversation--sometimes rambling, but always full of interesting detail--that while Mr. Cambridge admits that the civil-rights movement has made mistakes, he cannot agree that it was a mistake.