Senator Clark was one of the generals in President Johnson's War on Poverty. This serious discussion of what causes poverty and which remedies are least likely to be counterproductive starts with a smooth thrust and parry. WFB: "Do you believe that poverty is something that especially happens in a free-enterprise system?" JC: "... Of course I don't think that we could do better with poverty under a socialist system. The free-enterprise system is much the best way to deal with poverty. Franklin D. Roosevelt pointed that out when he really initiated the war on poverty back in 1937. You remember he said he found one-third of a nation ill housed, ill clad, and ill fed.... We hope that it is now only one-fifth of a nation. We hope, Bill, that by the time you and I have gone to our ultimate reward, it will be one-tenth of a nation ..."