Tape 5 - Myers and Wolfe cover a variety of topics. Ella begins by discussing her family. She mentions that her family was very warm, always speaking fondly of socialism, always taught to share everything, and taught that men and women were equals.

She then discusses editing Bertram's writing, saying she always wanted it to be readable by "the man on the street." This segues into her talking about her teaching career. Includes discussion on her relationship with male professional-career types and comments on writers who work for New leader, e.g. D. Bell.

She explains how Judith Evans met Jay Lovestone and became friends.

Ella comments on Bertram's book "3 Who Made a Revolution" and its translations in other languages, specifically Russian. On the official side, the book was translated, but only distributed to about 20 of the top people in the Soviet Union. Later, the book would find its way, in Russian, to the Soviet Union through underground means.

She reflects on college and then about people in the revolutionary movement who left a profound impression upon her.

She comments about a Soviet historian who reviewed Bertram's Ideology in Power.

Se talks about her years at Hunter College, literature, and history.

She talks about Rose Pastor Stokes, and Communist Party member in American in the 1920s.

She discusses the Communist Party in the 20th century, particularly the years of World War II. She notes that during the war, the US party criticized Bertram and claimed Bertram was in league with Hitler and the Nazis. This is a part of a discussion of those who became disillusioned with the Party and why.

She talks about a book she hopes to put out of Bertram's letters, which leads to her discussing some of his actions, such as his work in the Spanish civil war.

For quite some time, she talks about her friend Father Rob Ernst and his interaction with others of different beliefs. She says she was particularly impressed by how calm he was in answering antagonistic questions. She relates a story about him visiting her one year, unknowingly, on the anniversaries of both Bertram's birthday and death.

She provides her impressions of Don Frederico De Onis.

She reflects on sexual relationships in the communist movement, using the word "betrayl." She says Svetlana Stalin was the only woman in the movement that was open about her feelings about sexual relationships.