Tape 8 - Picking up where tape 7 left off, Wolfe speaks about Freda Utley. She first speaks about a suicide. She then speaks about aspects of Utley's personal life, including her family, housekeeping, drinking, and hearing.
The next conversation concerns a variety of people. First is Dwight MacDonald and his wives, Nancy and Gloria, and children. Wolfe speaks about the marriages and prefers Nancy to Gloria. Speaking on his professional career, she mentions he was involved in the movements of 1960s and had writer's block for a while. Next, Wolfe speaks about Joan Colebrook, concentrating on her personal life before discussing her book, her move to Australia, and their common friends. However, Wolfe does not want Colebrook to write anything about Wolfe. Wolfe discusses Theodore Draper and his two wives.
The third conversation concerns the time after Bertram's expulsion from Mexico. Included in this is time spent discussing Whittaker Chambers, others in the Communist Party, and how he became disillusioned with the Party. Wolfe says Chambers tried to get Alger Hiss to stop his activities. Wolfe says it was widely known Hiss was involved in "dirty" (her word) works. They discuss Hiss’s guilt.
The fourth conversation is a discussion of Philip Jaffe, the Amerasia papers, a raid of his office, and the following arrest. She says legal processes were delayed because America did not want to offend Russia as both countries were in the process of setting up the United Nations at the time.
This segues into a discussion of Agnes Smedley. Wolfe comments about her for a few minutes.
Next, Myers asks about Anna Louise Strong. While Wolfe did not know her, she relates information about her as Bertram had contact with Strong. Wolfe calls her "a really big fool."
The fifth conversation begins with Wolfe commenting on the struggle of good and evil. In this light, she speaks about George Katkov and Doctor Zhivago.
The sixth conversation is about New York Trotskite leader Max Shachtman. She mentions Shactman's attacks on Bertram's book for an entire year. Years after the party purges, when they reconnected at a conference at Stanford, Wolfe found a completely different person.
The last conversation concerns Boris Souvarine and Joaquin Maurin.
- Hoover ID: 77029_a_0003371
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